100 Mile Snow Safari Forum

Looks like you were mind reading today Snoway . I just came back from a 120 mile ride around Sheboygan & FDL counties and I don't think there were any stop signs at driveway crossings , just caution & yeild signs and I wondered who made the decision .
Another thing that came to mind was the plowing of forest roads . With all the budget cuts and the whining about lack of money so they can raise the fees on everything , where the hell are they getting the money to plow these roads that don't have any houses on ? 20 years ago I could ride from Mountain to Dunbar on mostly unplowed roads the pipeline and the power lines, not any more.

Before I bought my house here in Armstrong Creek, I used to rent a house in LA. Lower Armstrong. South of town, on the 100 Miler. Right on the corner before you get into the woods. It's (was) a three way stop. Only those heading South had no stop sign. During the summer, with all the growth, you couldn't see anything coming down the road from the South heading North. Even if you tried pulling out a bit. And almost everyone would run that sign. Especially the fully loaded log trucks. I got on the horn once (CB Chan. 19) when I saw this, and ask the driver what was up with that? He replied... I slow down, look left, right... good to go. I said that's fine... but it's not a SLOW sign. It's a STOP SIGN. More than once, I was almost creamed by one of these drivers. And I tried to edge out as far as I could to see if anybody was coming, even though they had a stop sign. Only to pull out, and find a log truck barreling down on me... locking up his brakes trying to stop at the last moment. Because he only slowed down and thought it was good to go. No it wasn't good to go. I told that driver that I didn't care how many loads he pulled out of those woods, none of it was worth more than any member of my family. And how was it he felt he was above the law. Or that he didn't have to obey that particular stop sign. And where did he draw the line? What other signs and laws did he feel he was [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]exempt[/FONT][/COLOR] from? I was mowing my lawn out front one day, when I seen a local guy run right through that with his big dump truck and shot him a one finger salute. He proceeded to stop, got out, and wanted me to step out into the road, because he wanted to fight. I apologized and said I was sorry. But told him that's exactly the way I feel when he does that right in front of me. That no matter how hard I tried to not let that bother me, it did. He might as well be shooting the bird out the window as he barreled through that stop sign. To me, it was their way of saying that neither I or anyone else in my family was worthy of that sign. And that's why I always try to do the speed limit and stop at al the signs when I'm in my neighboring towns. Out of respect, and for the safety of the kids. Old 101 was so bad, I wouldn't let my kids ride their bikes on it. And neither would I. It was too dangerous. I would even video record every violation, and still have some of that footage. Yet, Forest County would never do anything. Even with video footage. A lot of them were self-employed. But if I noticed they were employed by someone else, I'd call that company and complain. I was always afraid this reckless unenforced driving was going to hurt or kill someone. In fact, that's exactly what happened. But we were very lucky. The careless driver only killed himself. And that in itself is tragic. I think he was from Pestigo or something like that. Got hit by a train. But I'd called his company just the week before complaining about him not stopping at stop signs and excessive speed. And that's why I always stop. Out of respect. For the kids. And because there might be some crazy bastard like myself living on the corner! I also developed a habit of wearing my .45 when I mowed the front yard after that too. :king:

WOW,...time to move back to the city where its safe~:rotflmao:

Sounds like YOUR situation warrants the stop sign!,...and I'm not sure if your story was aimed at my post, but to restate my reasons against many stop signs on trails was to point out that there proper usage is scetchy at best.

As far as 3 way stops at a 4 way intersection, I think they are dumb...we have one 1/4 mile from my home down here. For some unknown reason the co. road that turns at the intersection gets the free pass,....guess the ppl on that route are deserving of faster passage than the othe 3 directions:shrug:

[QUOTE=snoway;11005]I have to disagree with the rules are rules ppl on this one. The science of needed stop signs on snowmobile trails is FAR from perfect, in fact I would say it is broken. The majority of them are totally uncalled for especially at driveway crossings where visibility is clear.
It just gives law enforcement easy pickins to gather revenue.
The Yield sign could be far more effective in most cases.
Besides ,...in most areas an indvidual who volunteers to mark trails on a given day is deciding which signs are needed in many cases, so the decision can vary wildly with no real set of guidelines.
Uneeded stops become an annoyance to most sledders so the roll thru becomes the norm.....until The revenue seekers come a callin.[/QUOTE]

I have to agree with you on all of the unnecessary stop signs on the trails, Hwy 8 between Crandon and Monoco is a great example of wrong use of stop signs, why do we need a stop sign at an unused driveway? :shrug: Stop signs should probably only be used at plowed roads and use a yield sign at unplowed road or driveway crossings. That way when you see a stop you would know that there is a road with cars/trucks. A stop sign at a trail intersection should also be used.

Too many unnecessary stop signs at unused driveways and roads leads to desensitization. In other words, people have more of a tendency to not take them as seriously as they should.

I noticed the removal of several stop signs along highway 32. Several of the driveways used to have stop signs and now they have yield signs. Where they stop signs still exist are actively used driveways and roads.

I won't take the trail along Hwy 8 between Crandon and Monico because of the vast number of stop signs.