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Sheboygan Co.

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:05 am
by johnemaz
I was just wondering :rolleyes:
Do any of you from the Sheb. Co area check out the site I update? :confused:
[url]www.nkmsnow.com[/url] Trail Report :winterrules:
We don't have a nice forum like Jim has here. :thumbup:
We had one a few years back but nobody used it so it hit the trash can.
Sounds like 2-4" again for Sheboygan Co. Grooming has been tough in the warm temps. I groomed 13 hrs yesterday and you can't tell except for we got the drifts knocked down.
It's useless above freezing in the daylight. We could use some cold weather now. Swamps are flooded... groomed through 6" of water in 3 spots yesterday.

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 7:49 am
by snowdog
[QUOTE=johnemaz;1656]I was just wondering :rolleyes:
Do any of you from the Sheb. Co area check out the site I update? :confused:
[url]www.nkmsnow.com[/url] Trail Report :winterrules:
We don't have a nice forum like Jim has here. :thumbup:
We had one a few years back but nobody used it so it hit the trash can.
Sounds like 2-4" again for Sheboygan Co. Grooming has been tough in the warm temps. I groomed 13 hrs yesterday and you can't tell except for we got the drifts knocked down.
It's useless above freezing in the daylight. We could use some cold weather now. Swamps are flooded... groomed through 6" of water in 3 spots yesterday.[/QUOTE]

consider yourself checked out ! :lol:
what club do you groom for ? went from greenbush to new fane on corrider 5 yesterday , really bad news , lot of up and down . from new fane to campbellsport to eden to dotyville and back to greenbush was pretty brown .
best part was from G & T east , the groomer had been thru recently [ around 5 oclock] . got more beat up in 5 hours on the trails , then i did in the 33 hours i spent in my plow truck over the weekend .

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:10 am
by I Doo
[QUOTE=johnemaz;1656]I was just wondering :rolleyes:
Do any of you from the Sheb. Co area check out the site I update? :confused:
[url]www.nkmsnow.com[/url] Trail Report :winterrules:
We don't have a nice forum like Jim has here. :thumbup:
We had one a few years back but nobody used it so it hit the trash can.
Sounds like 2-4" again for Sheboygan Co. Grooming has been tough in the warm temps. I groomed 13 hrs yesterday and you can't tell except for we got the drifts knocked down.
It's useless above freezing in the daylight. We could use some cold weather now. Swamps are flooded... groomed through 6" of water in 3 spots yesterday.[/QUOTE]

I DOO- I DOO-I DOO-I DOO!!:lol:

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 8:23 am
by Jim
[quote=johnemaz;1656]I was just wondering :rolleyes:
Do any of you from the Sheb. Co area check out the site I update? :confused:
[URL="http://www.nkmsnow.com"]www.nkmsnow.com[/URL] Trail Report :winterrules:
We don't have a nice forum like Jim has here. :thumbup:
We had one a few years back but nobody used it so it hit the trash can.
Sounds like 2-4" again for Sheboygan Co. Grooming has been tough in the warm temps. I groomed 13 hrs yesterday and you can't tell except for we got the drifts knocked down.
It's useless above freezing in the daylight. We could use some cold weather now. Swamps are flooded... groomed through 6" of water in 3 spots yesterday.[/quote]

John: Would you like me to create a thread for the NKM Clubs here? Similiar to like we did for Florence County?

and

Keith: Would you like me to create a thread for the Blackbear Sportmen's Club?

I'll be heading out the door shortly and grooming to the North...

I watch the nkmsnow website.

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:06 pm
by FST
Being from the Plymouth area I look at the website often. A big Thank you to everyone that puts all the hard work into keeping the snowmobile information websites up and running and the trails groomed.

Has anyone looked at the Fon du lac county site?
[url]http://www.geocities.com/fdlsnowassn/[/url]

They have some comments on trail abuse and I think all sites should have something similar. I guess it could go even a little farther and get into some of the other total lack of respect some people have for the trails, landowners and others on the trails. The cross country racing that goes on is totaly uncalled for. My biggest complaint is being out for a ride on what were good trails only to meet or have a group of idiots pass me. After nearly being hit by one or 2 of them they are spinning and fish tailing the entire time and throw all the snow up and off the trail.

Amazing how a few out of control sleds can ruin a trail in one pass.

I copied this from the Fon Du Lac site. I don't think Walt will mind.

[B]There are 2 major methods of riding a snowmobile that ruin trails to the point that it is near impossible for a groomer to adequately fix or provide a long term fix.
1. BLOWING OUT THE CORNERS This is the result of high acceleration by some "clowns" while entering a corner to throw themselves around the corner. This blows all of the snow out of the inside of the corner creating an icy or bare condition.
2. RIDING IN THE CENTER OF THE TRAIL Riding in the center of a trail (especially abandoned railroad grades & multi-use trails) wears this area of a trail out to the point that a groomer will not be able to adequately restore the trail. Sure, the groomer will place new snow in this area but it will not be compacted to a degree that will make it hold because the pressure of the groomer will be greatest near the edges of the groomer on the high areas outside of the center of the trail.

For the sake of others using the trails and yourself; please do not blow out the corners or ride extensively in the center of the trails.[/B]

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:57 pm
by Dreadan
[QUOTE=Jim;1660]John: Would you like me to create a thread for the NKM Clubs here? Similiar to like we did for Florence County?

and

Keith: Would you like me to create a thread for the Blackbear Sportmen's Club?

I'll be heading out the door shortly and grooming to the North...[/QUOTE]


Sure, I can try and get some reports out of the guys that are grooming and post them

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:56 pm
by toolman
[QUOTE=FST;1663]Being from the Plymouth area I look at the website often. A big Thank you to everyone that puts all the hard work into keeping the snowmobile information websites up and running and the trails groomed.

Has anyone looked at the Fon du lac county site?
[url]http://www.geocities.com/fdlsnowassn/[/url]

They have some comments on trail abuse and I think all sites should have something similar. I guess it could go even a little farther and get into some of the other total lack of respect some people have for the trails, landowners and others on the trails. The cross country racing that goes on is totaly uncalled for. My biggest complaint is being out for a ride on what were good trails only to meet or have a group of idiots pass me. After nearly being hit by one or 2 of them they are spinning and fish tailing the entire time and throw all the snow up and off the trail.

Amazing how a few out of control sleds can ruin a trail in one pass.

I copied this from the Fon Du Lac site. I don't think Walt will mind.

[B]There are 2 major methods of riding a snowmobile that ruin trails to the point that it is near impossible for a groomer to adequately fix or provide a long term fix.
1. BLOWING OUT THE CORNERS This is the result of high acceleration by some "clowns" while entering a corner to throw themselves around the corner. This blows all of the snow out of the inside of the corner creating an icy or bare condition.
2. RIDING IN THE CENTER OF THE TRAIL Riding in the center of a trail (especially abandoned railroad grades & multi-use trails) wears this area of a trail out to the point that a groomer will not be able to adequately restore the trail. Sure, the groomer will place new snow in this area but it will not be compacted to a degree that will make it hold because the pressure of the groomer will be greatest near the edges of the groomer on the high areas outside of the center of the trail.

For the sake of others using the trails and yourself; please do not blow out the corners or ride extensively in the center of the trails.[/B][/QUOTE]


FST - We had a thread running pertaining to riding slow, riding fast, and basic trail etiquette. I wouldn't want to be passed either, however, if I'm in a group (seems I am usually the leader) and I have sleds come up on my butt, when I get to a safe place I pull everyone over and let them pass! It makes perfect sense to me, why doesn't that make sense to others? It's just like driving on the hwyway, if your going slow in the fast lane, you get over for someone coming up faster don't you? Anyway's it's not always about going fast! It's about wanting to go "faster" then you...faster may only be 5 or 10 miles faster, but it's still faster. It might be 40 miles faster, but thats not your decision to make. Nothing is more annoying then being out riding alone or with a couple of sleds and coming up on a group going sloooooooooooooooow! they have mirrors, they know your there, you would think they would at some point let you by, but a lot of the time they won't! Perhaps the next time your out riding you can pull over and let them pass, then you won't have a complaint. I do it, I know others that do it, I don't get why soooooooooooo many don't! Just a thought...don't take it personal!

"the ribbon"

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:08 pm
by Red Baron
I read a post from a U.P. groomer operator a few years back that gave advice on trail saving measures. His best advice was "don't beat the ribbon". The ribbon is the smooth white flat surface that is laid down by the drag behind the groomer. The 1st 20 sleds determine if the trail will hold up for the next 500. The ribbon is a tender and soft layer of snow that needs to freeze up firm. As tempting as it is to let 'er rip on a freshly groomed trail, taking it easy and packing the trail instead of wrecking it will save it for the rest of the sleds, sleds which may be you on the return trip. You actually go slower by spinning your track than by hooking up, thus the reason traction control works on automobiles. The best grooming job is done at 3am so it can freeze down and hold up for much traffic. Meeting a groomer and blasting the corners and spinning down to the dirt is a real slap in the face to the person who just made a great trail for everyone to enjoy. Next time you meet the groomer, think about this, give him the thumbs up, and don't beat the ribbon.

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:17 pm
by Keemez
Jim and I have talked about this at length. We agreed that trails would probably last 10x longer if people would stay off them for several hours after having the groomer pass by. I had a (far-fetched) suggestion that perhaps the trails could be closed nightly from 12a-6a and have the bulk of grooming done during these hours. This would allow the trails to freeze up proper, and theoretically would keep people at home during the wee hours of the morning (when most of the fatal accidents happen because people have been boozing it up all afternoon). Granted, it may not be a realistic solution because I'm sure everybody's schedule doesn't allow them to groom all hours of the night, but wouldn't it be ideal? The next best alternative is just like the last couple posts: ride with some semblance of intelligence, and you'll do everybody a favor, including yourself. :thumbup:

So many variables

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 5:39 pm
by snoway
Dang this is such a fun sport, but with so many unknowns from season to season, week to week and day to day .
Its like being a fisherman or water skier, wakeboarder, and having to wait for the lakes to fill up in summer just to have a few days of fun.
Ain't nothing else like it!!
Taking care of the trails is soo darn important and should be all our responsibility.
Having said that, you have to realize there will always be the few that mess things up for everyone.
Many of us love to pin it from time to time, but learning where ,when, and how long to, is something that takes a few ounces of responsibility.
Happy trails

Try this link to what red baron's post is about.
[url]http://www.biskitscloset.com/howtogroomatrail.htm[/url]